The first time I saw Johnny & Edgar was at Pirates World, in Dania, Florida, in 1969 (hitchhiked about 180 miles each way.) I attended both nights and was totally blown away by Leeland Mississippi Blues, Mean Mistreater, and Good Morning Little School Girl. That voice "Oh Yeah, dum dum de dump, Oh Yeah." We saw him a few more times down here in Florida in the early days but I didn't see him again until sometime around 2006 or so when he played a small venue here in East central Florida. I still had my vinyl from the 60's and early 70's and he kindly signed the covers for me. The venue sucked (a Holiday Inn banquet room) but the performance was okay. The next time I saw him perform was at Crossroads 2007. I was surprised he was there (a tribute from Eric, I think, to a great bluesman.) I enjoyed his performance, especially with Derek and group backing him up. When watching the DVD, when it came out, Derek's humbleness and joy to be playing with Johnny was obvious.
Later he played at the HOB in New Orleans and although I had tickets I was unable to go due some unforeseen difficulties. My sister lives near NO so I gave the tickets to her. She said there were no more than 20 people in the place and the staff went ahead and sat up chairs on the floor for them. The record store across the street was giving tickets away. That I found truly sad.
I last saw him, several months ago, two days back to back, here in central east coast Florida at a very small venue, Lue's Blues. The sound was cranked up loud enough for a stadium performance and more or less drowned out Johnny's playing and singing. Johnny mostly played the white Erliwine Lazer guitar and finally brought out the slide for two final licks.The short set ended with Highway 61 and Johnny was led off stage, no encore, no nothing. The second night was an exact repeat of the first; although I repositioned myself in hopes of hearing Johnny sing and play. He was totally over-powered again by the rest of the band. This was a concert where someone was from the school of thought that louder was better and had everything cranked to the max except for Johnny. I frankly am hard of hearing, but the volume was cranked up so much it was hurting my ears. I noticed on both nights that folks were holding their hands over their ears and using cigarette butts to dampen the sound a bit; many left early and I think is was just because it was too loud. Personally, I think Johnny can still play, and should take the lead instead of allowing his band to overpower him.
As anyday above said "Encouraging Johnny Winter to go on appearing, with inept management and poor sound set-ups is sadly just tarnishing an amazing bluesman's legacy." Perhaps if Johnny, or his sound crew, sat down and listened to Jeff Beck --Performing This Week: Live at Ronnie Scott's he would understand how someone used to playing in a large venue can also do a Jazz Club. Beck talks about just that saying "Loud in a small place is not that great."
All that being said there is certainly a new master slide guitarist around these days and that's Derek. God can that boy play and he just gets better each time I see him--which is every chance I get. As Mary Lou writes above "Johnny just loves Derek Trucks and credits him with keeping the blues alive."That's true but another thing to consider is that the bluesmen of old are bringing up the new the same as in the past. Look at the age spread at some of the concerts today'--old guys like me who listened to the Allman Joys on the "Chitlin circuit, and now 20 somethings and younger learning about the blues all the while creating a new sound of their own. There is a whole new generation being introduced to a very old genre; Eric is doing that as is Jeff Beck, Robert Cray, Jimmy Vaughn, Albert Lee, Hubert Sumlin, etc. Just imagine Derek touring with Eric, and Tal with Beck, how good is that?. Life is good and keeps on rocking.
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The past belongs to the future...but only the present can preserve it.
I can't wait to read the book! "Rock and Roll Hootchie Coo" was one of the first songs that I remember learning when I purchased by first REAL electric guitar...and those lead riffs still make me grin from ear to ear! Peace, BB
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"Practice Wisdom, Listen, Ask Questions, Work Hard, Lift Up Those Around You, and Never, Ever, Underestimate the Power of Kindness!" Brother Bill
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"Practice Wisdom, Listen, Ask Questions, Work Hard, Lift Up Those Around You, and Never, Ever, Underestimate the Power of Kindness!" Brother Bill
Thanks, Nathan and Anyday (love that song!). Raisin' Cain is coming out in May. I've gotten a lot of great feedback already - Elwood Blues read it, loved it, and plans to do a House of Blues Radio Hour show about it. I'm so psyched! My website - www.JohnnyWinterBook.com - provides details about the people I interviewed, an excerpt from Johnny's foreword, Elwood's quote, and an interview I did about writing the book..
BTW - Johnny just loves Derek Trucks and credits him as one of the new players who is keeping the blues alive.
Exept his great blues stuff his album „captured live“ with Rick Derringer is definitly a masterpiece of excellent bluesrock, saw him twice live,
but he should stop live performances for his own sake.
That's great news! I have to admit, outside of his musicianship, I don't know much about the guy. I think it would be a great read. Lots of people from his era didn't last very long, certainly not as long as him, so it's great that his life is being captured!
Ask and you shall receive. I spent more than a year interviewing Johnny about his life, and another 5 to 6 years interviewing his family, friends, musicians, producers, record label people, etc. to write a definitive biography. Lots of time and energy, but it was a labor of love. Johnny wrote the foreword to the book - he was thrilled when he read it. It's call "Raisin' Cain - The Wild and Raucous Story of Johnny Winter - it'll be out on Backbeat Books in May.
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Mary Lou Sullivan
Agreed. And I definitely think he should be interviewed extensively about his life. Considering his worth with Muddy Waters, he is pretty much a first generation bluesman.
Johnny was such a fearless innovator in both his music and showmanship. Probably his huge musical talent and uniqueness as a person stoked those creative fires in Johnny as a performer for years. What an amazing bluesman!
It's hard to imagine a celebrity of JW's stature having such a difficult time getting good counsel with regard to his career decisions at this point in his life. Actually maybe the celebrity factor makes it even harder to get solid, objective guidance! As BB and Nathan have pointed out, whoever is giving Johnny advice and direction does not have Johnny's best interests in mind.
Johnny is a very intelligent and articulate person. This would be a great opportunity to get some documentary interview footage and some commentary from Johnny on the vast changes he's witnessed in the music scene and the wide range of influences that shaped his development as a guitarist and blues performer. The material could be helpful to JW in writing a memoir or autobiography, which I suspect would be very well-received.
I'm thinking that it would be terribly flattering to Johnny to be asked to continue to tour and almost impossible to decide to turn away from the adrenaline rush of performing live for adoring fans. Someone who truly cares about Johnny needs to intervene and help him to see the realistic present-day possibilities in re-packaging and promoting some of his past recordings (if he owns the rights to them) and maybe compiling some of the past live performance video out there and maybe coming up with a DVD.
Encouraging Johnny Winter to go on appearing, with inept management and poor sound set-ups is sadly just tarnishing an amazing bluesman's legacy.
This takes away NOTHING from him being a legendary blues master. That is well established and will remain intact. Kinda reminds me in the early 70's when, instead of retiring from the San Francisco Giants, my childhood hero, Willie Mays. played a couple of years for the N.Y Mets. It was not a pretty sight. I was listening to early JW the other night and he operated on a "scorched earth" policy with his playing. absolutely NO prisoners!
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"Practice Wisdom, Listen, Ask Questions, Work Hard, Lift Up Those Around You, and Never, Ever, Underestimate the Power of Kindness!" Brother Bill
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"Practice Wisdom, Listen, Ask Questions, Work Hard, Lift Up Those Around You, and Never, Ever, Underestimate the Power of Kindness!" Brother Bill
And I'm sure you'd agree that it doesn't take away from the incredible stuff he did earlier, especially for me his playing with Muddy Waters. WOW. But, it's the nature of all things to wear down and fade away....
well the Crossroads DVD and his set at the Beacon this year pretty mcuh nailed it for me. I grew up learning guitar to "Johnny Winter And"..but the biggest surprise (and saddest) is that people are still parading him around telling him that he sounds good. I hate that his amp caught on fire, but it's actually the most entertaining thing that has come out of it in quite a while...that wasn't nice, but sometimes the truth isn't pretty... Peace, BB
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"Practice Wisdom, Listen, Ask Questions, Work Hard, Lift Up Those Around You, and Never, Ever, Underestimate the Power of Kindness!" Brother Bill
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"Practice Wisdom, Listen, Ask Questions, Work Hard, Lift Up Those Around You, and Never, Ever, Underestimate the Power of Kindness!" Brother Bill
To agree with HP on this one. It seems like Winter is just hard of hearing. Either that, or he's completely ignoring the band or just doesn't care that they're even playing. I can't hold it against him - he IS Johnny Winter and all, but it is pretty sad to see.
Gotta hand it to him though, he seems to love sitting out there and playing on his gee-tar!
Saw his show at carrboro arts center in carrboro, nc in may of 2006. Horrible performance. And way to loud. Johnnys deaf or something. Only show I've ever walked out on. Paid way to much for the crap that was paraded out on that stage that night. Never again. I should have better business bureaued he and his manager(he should be ashamed) for my $ back but just took it as a lesson instead.
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The first time I saw Johnny & Edgar was at Pirates World, in Dania, Florida, in 1969 (hitchhiked about 180 miles each way.) I attended both nights and was totally blown away by Leeland Mississippi Blues, Mean Mistreater, and Good Morning Little School Girl. That voice "Oh Yeah, dum dum de dump, Oh Yeah." We saw him a few more times down here in Florida in the early days but I didn't see him again until sometime around 2006 or so when he played a small venue here in East central Florida. I still had my vinyl from the 60's and early 70's and he kindly signed the covers for me. The venue sucked (a Holiday Inn banquet room) but the performance was okay. The next time I saw him perform was at Crossroads 2007. I was surprised he was there (a tribute from Eric, I think, to a great bluesman.) I enjoyed his performance, especially with Derek and group backing him up. When watching the DVD, when it came out, Derek's humbleness and joy to be playing with Johnny was obvious.
Later he played at the HOB in New Orleans and although I had tickets I was unable to go due some unforeseen difficulties. My sister lives near NO so I gave the tickets to her. She said there were no more than 20 people in the place and the staff went ahead and sat up chairs on the floor for them. The record store across the street was giving tickets away. That I found truly sad.
I last saw him, several months ago, two days back to back, here in central east coast Florida at a very small venue, Lue's Blues. The sound was cranked up loud enough for a stadium performance and more or less drowned out Johnny's playing and singing. Johnny mostly played the white Erliwine Lazer guitar and finally brought out the slide for two final licks.The short set ended with Highway 61 and Johnny was led off stage, no encore, no nothing. The second night was an exact repeat of the first; although I repositioned myself in hopes of hearing Johnny sing and play. He was totally over-powered again by the rest of the band. This was a concert where someone was from the school of thought that louder was better and had everything cranked to the max except for Johnny. I frankly am hard of hearing, but the volume was cranked up so much it was hurting my ears. I noticed on both nights that folks were holding their hands over their ears and using cigarette butts to dampen the sound a bit; many left early and I think is was just because it was too loud. Personally, I think Johnny can still play, and should take the lead instead of allowing his band to overpower him.
As anyday above said "Encouraging Johnny Winter to go on appearing, with inept management and poor sound set-ups is sadly just tarnishing an amazing bluesman's legacy." Perhaps if Johnny, or his sound crew, sat down and listened to Jeff Beck --Performing This Week: Live at Ronnie Scott's he would understand how someone used to playing in a large venue can also do a Jazz Club. Beck talks about just that saying "Loud in a small place is not that great."
All that being said there is certainly a new master slide guitarist around these days and that's Derek. God can that boy play and he just gets better each time I see him--which is every chance I get. As Mary Lou writes above "Johnny just loves Derek Trucks and credits him with keeping the blues alive." That's true but another thing to consider is that the bluesmen of old are bringing up the new the same as in the past. Look at the age spread at some of the concerts today'--old guys like me who listened to the Allman Joys on the "Chitlin circuit, and now 20 somethings and younger learning about the blues all the while creating a new sound of their own. There is a whole new generation being introduced to a very old genre; Eric is doing that as is Jeff Beck, Robert Cray, Jimmy Vaughn, Albert Lee, Hubert Sumlin, etc. Just imagine Derek touring with Eric, and Tal with Beck, how good is that?. Life is good and keeps on rocking.
The past belongs to the future...but only the present can preserve it.
I can't wait to read the book! "Rock and Roll Hootchie Coo" was one of the first songs that I remember learning when I purchased by first REAL electric guitar...and those lead riffs still make me grin from ear to ear! Peace, BB
--
"Practice Wisdom, Listen, Ask Questions, Work Hard, Lift Up Those Around You, and Never, Ever, Underestimate the Power of Kindness!" Brother Bill
"Practice Wisdom, Listen, Ask Questions, Work Hard, Lift Up Those Around You, and Never, Ever, Underestimate the Power of Kindness!" Brother Bill
Thanks, Nathan and Anyday (love that song!). Raisin' Cain is coming out in May. I've gotten a lot of great feedback already - Elwood Blues read it, loved it, and plans to do a House of Blues Radio Hour show about it. I'm so psyched! My website - www.JohnnyWinterBook.com - provides details about the people I interviewed, an excerpt from Johnny's foreword, Elwood's quote, and an interview I did about writing the book..
BTW - Johnny just loves Derek Trucks and credits him as one of the new players who is keeping the blues alive.
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Mary Lou Sullivan
Mary Lou
Exept his great blues stuff his album „captured live“ with Rick Derringer is definitly a masterpiece of excellent bluesrock, saw him twice live,
but he should stop live performances for his own sake.
They`re so close...and sooo far away
Thanks for your post about the book. Can't wait to get a copy - sounds like a gem.
That's great news! I have to admit, outside of his musicianship, I don't know much about the guy. I think it would be a great read. Lots of people from his era didn't last very long, certainly not as long as him, so it's great that his life is being captured!
Can you give us a heads up when it comes out?
Ask and you shall receive. I spent more than a year interviewing Johnny about his life, and another 5 to 6 years interviewing his family, friends, musicians, producers, record label people, etc. to write a definitive biography. Lots of time and energy, but it was a labor of love. Johnny wrote the foreword to the book - he was thrilled when he read it. It's call "Raisin' Cain - The Wild and Raucous Story of Johnny Winter - it'll be out on Backbeat Books in May.
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Mary Lou Sullivan
Mary Lou
Agreed. And I definitely think he should be interviewed extensively about his life. Considering his worth with Muddy Waters, he is pretty much a first generation bluesman.
Johnny was such a fearless innovator in both his music and showmanship. Probably his huge musical talent and uniqueness as a person stoked those creative fires in Johnny as a performer for years. What an amazing bluesman!
It's hard to imagine a celebrity of JW's stature having such a difficult time getting good counsel with regard to his career decisions at this point in his life. Actually maybe the celebrity factor makes it even harder to get solid, objective guidance! As BB and Nathan have pointed out, whoever is giving Johnny advice and direction does not have Johnny's best interests in mind.
Johnny is a very intelligent and articulate person. This would be a great opportunity to get some documentary interview footage and some commentary from Johnny on the vast changes he's witnessed in the music scene and the wide range of influences that shaped his development as a guitarist and blues performer. The material could be helpful to JW in writing a memoir or autobiography, which I suspect would be very well-received.
I'm thinking that it would be terribly flattering to Johnny to be asked to continue to tour and almost impossible to decide to turn away from the adrenaline rush of performing live for adoring fans. Someone who truly cares about Johnny needs to intervene and help him to see the realistic present-day possibilities in re-packaging and promoting some of his past recordings (if he owns the rights to them) and maybe compiling some of the past live performance video out there and maybe coming up with a DVD.
Encouraging Johnny Winter to go on appearing, with inept management and poor sound set-ups is sadly just tarnishing an amazing bluesman's legacy.
This takes away NOTHING from him being a legendary blues master. That is well established and will remain intact. Kinda reminds me in the early 70's when, instead of retiring from the San Francisco Giants, my childhood hero, Willie Mays. played a couple of years for the N.Y Mets. It was not a pretty sight. I was listening to early JW the other night and he operated on a "scorched earth" policy with his playing. absolutely NO prisoners!
--
"Practice Wisdom, Listen, Ask Questions, Work Hard, Lift Up Those Around You, and Never, Ever, Underestimate the Power of Kindness!" Brother Bill
"Practice Wisdom, Listen, Ask Questions, Work Hard, Lift Up Those Around You, and Never, Ever, Underestimate the Power of Kindness!" Brother Bill
And I'm sure you'd agree that it doesn't take away from the incredible stuff he did earlier, especially for me his playing with Muddy Waters. WOW. But, it's the nature of all things to wear down and fade away....
well the Crossroads DVD and his set at the Beacon this year pretty mcuh nailed it for me. I grew up learning guitar to "Johnny Winter And"..but the biggest surprise (and saddest) is that people are still parading him around telling him that he sounds good. I hate that his amp caught on fire, but it's actually the most entertaining thing that has come out of it in quite a while...that wasn't nice, but sometimes the truth isn't pretty... Peace, BB
--
"Practice Wisdom, Listen, Ask Questions, Work Hard, Lift Up Those Around You, and Never, Ever, Underestimate the Power of Kindness!" Brother Bill
"Practice Wisdom, Listen, Ask Questions, Work Hard, Lift Up Those Around You, and Never, Ever, Underestimate the Power of Kindness!" Brother Bill
To agree with HP on this one. It seems like Winter is just hard of hearing. Either that, or he's completely ignoring the band or just doesn't care that they're even playing. I can't hold it against him - he IS Johnny Winter and all, but it is pretty sad to see.
Gotta hand it to him though, he seems to love sitting out there and playing on his gee-tar!
Saw his show at carrboro arts center in carrboro, nc in may of 2006. Horrible performance. And way to loud. Johnnys deaf or something. Only show I've ever walked out on. Paid way to much for the crap that was paraded out on that stage that night. Never again. I should have better business bureaued he and his manager(he should be ashamed) for my $ back but just took it as a lesson instead.
of the fire:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zvo1oxVpuic
looks like a speaker coil started it!
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"Practice Wisdom, Listen, Ask Questions, Work Hard, Lift Up Those Around You, and Never, Ever, Underestimate the Power of Kindness!" Brother Bill
"Practice Wisdom, Listen, Ask Questions, Work Hard, Lift Up Those Around You, and Never, Ever, Underestimate the Power of Kindness!" Brother Bill
even act like he knew anything was going on!
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"Practice Wisdom, Listen, Ask Questions, Work Hard, Lift Up Those Around You, and Never, Ever, Underestimate the Power of Kindness!" Brother Bill
"Practice Wisdom, Listen, Ask Questions, Work Hard, Lift Up Those Around You, and Never, Ever, Underestimate the Power of Kindness!" Brother Bill
he must have been whaling!